has bashing been redefined?

Beth,please do not waste my time on Q'tions like this,you know bashing is more then just calling others names.

When In Doubt Think It Out

"Quick Scenario. - 30 companies all operating, marketing & exuding the same professionalism, what sets them apart? In the end it will be price. Hence prices will fall."


I have yet to see this (similar professionalism across the board) ever in the same market place whether it is PW or any other industry. Maybe I am off base but what I am hearing is issues with cost per job and the ability to make a living. This is a concern for all, myself included, although my primary focus is not my competition but serving my clients. Obviously when we keep our clients happy they stick with us, even when the price is higher. We cannot expect things to stay the same. The industry is changing whether we want it to or not.



"Joining forces with the Detailers would be better than joining forces with window cleaners."

Detailers, painters, window cleaners, carpet guys, does it really matter? Are we going to stop the countless people that are going to start their own PW companies this year or next? If we want to keep people out of the PW industry then we need to talk to the manufactures and have them stop selling PW machines in the stores and then have them raise the price of a hot or cold water unit to $50,000.00. Then we will have effectively monopolized the market. Unfortunately I do not see the previous scenario occurring so we (PWNA) are looking in other areas. If I were to have my rather I would prefer to have them (new PW companies) educated to correctly price the market, know how to clean properly, and maintain a business license along with insurance; I think in this aspect we can raise the level of awareness and reputation which effects all of our business more then anything, through public perception.

Doc Reisman

President
Power Washers of North America

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Hydro-Emulsification Surface Preparation Specialist

What does the pwna membership allow it to control now?

Detailers, painters, window cleaners, carpet guys, does it really matter?

Yes,I think it matters,the detailers,They are already greared in eqt.,supplies and knowledge.They already know the damage that can be done,it would be easier to deal with them then someone cleaning windows.
Detailing is a branch off powerwashing as to its supplies,chemicals and knowledge.

All organizations have made mistakes and have learned from it,its the reason they are still around.

Do you really need a powerwasher to clean windows?.

When In Doubt Think It Out

Points noted and appreciated. Please consider coming to the PWNA / IWCA convention. Although we do not agree on all points attending the conference may give you a different perspective. I am excided about the amount of venders that will attend the show and the quality of our speakers. Education is paramount!

The main reason we even considered having a joint convention was for our similarities. Many of our members may find adding window cleaning is simple and very affordable. Others may realize that pressure cleaning is not for them.

February’s convention will be the largest show ever; you have my word on it.

Doc Reisman

President
Power Washers of North America

When In Doubt Think It Out

Doc,

I have an idea, could the PWNA offer a satisfaction guarantee on membership?

If someone feels that the $ spent on membership was not worthwhile they could get a refund within xx days??

Food for thought..

Maybe some of the people who are uncertain if they should join would join then??

I was under the impression that the combined Trade Show meeting was put together to save money, time and effort so that a better product would be delivered. Now we are getting the image of a cross over effort sponsored by the creators.

To even suggest, that would give the membership a direction to travel that would create a more fragmented group image. PW can't be everything to everyone and going into window cleaning for a PW, would be akin to going into landscaping or poolcleaning. You must focus for the long run.

David

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LOL, well maybe we're not on the same page. I refered to the Detailers because they are similar however they are not in our market. The window cleaners are in our market, they’re customers are the same as ours. Where as the Detailers are in a whole-nuther ball park.

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Doc.

I’m sorry this thread got so beat up. My intention was neither to host a bashing against individuals nor to bash the PWNA. My intention was to add perspective to an issue that I personally feel is a concern worthy of debate.
I greatly appreciate your taking the time to participate in this, at the same time I am embarrassed by the fact that you participated in something turned so ugly.

As far as speakers go Doc. Really how necessary are these professional speakers. I have seen enough of them to realize one thing. That being I save the money of going to see them & go to the Public Library & choose between dozens of audio tapes from different authors & listen to them on my time in a relaxing atmosphere & if I miss something I can rewind. Heck you can even find half of them on mp3's now. On mps, I have Hopkins, Ziglar, Robbins an a couple no names.

Frankly I'd rather hear from a fellow contractor that started with only 2 pennies to rub together & built a 3 rig business in 3 years. Why do you, & others, feel that by making this seminar grander is necessarily better. Give me common speakers, even as common as Beth, a couple demo/training seminars a decent "Pressure Cleaning Equipment" trade show, a nearby Motel 6 to stay at & I'd be just happy. Maybe that's just me.

My Thanks & My Apologies.

Cody

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Beth.

It’s funny how the brain works so much like the internet. When I read your post a couple things came to mind. I suppose it’s like when you start out surfing Pressure Cleaning on the net & end up at some page selling Phone Cards.

Anyhow, I’m reminded of this funny clip I caught on Discovery channel, it was a episode involving weird places to visit. One place they visited was a Grave Yard in France. The general story line was about a woman that was well-known to her community, family, & friends as a hypocondraic. She Died. There in the graveyard where Discovery Chan was visiting was her tombstone. Her RIP read “I told you I was Sick”.

Why did I write that well well 1 I thought it was funny & 2 there’s an old expression that comes to mind. <i>"Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean nobody’s after me!”</i>

Hmm I may have to add that to my signature!
Cody

Hydro-Emulsification Surface Preparation Specialist

Hi Cody,
There's another saying.

"Paranoia will destroy ya." I believe it's in the lyrics to a popular song.

Have a great evening.

Beth

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