Bulletin Board discussions

[Cody]

I'll Not go to Ron's Board on purpose. It's a SHAM a ROOSE. & Frankly I was shocked to see how many people from this board go to his & that many were Moderators there. YOu people should be ashamed of yourselves. TRAITORS. Why do you guys feel you need 16 forums for the same thing. Dan's Forums is here outta Respect for this business & some ambition for maybe making a few extra bucks with a net presence. Ron Is motivated by Pure EVIL!

Cody

And PS IS Ron Musgrave Ron Marshall????????

[Dan S]

Cody,
I dont agree that just b/c we are moderators here makes us ashamed in any way to visit or post on another board..........that comment just dont make since..... i guess since i have a "moderator position" im only allowed to post here?hmmmmmmmm i dont remember reading or hearing about that when Dan asked for moderators...........

I dont want to get into comparing bbs it wouldn't do any of us any good......but for most of us here and else where this is our bb and and we post here also.........i know there is boards I dont like and D.....co is one of them BUT big freakin deal.

It was nice to see you here again i really missed your post hope you are doing well..........

OPPS you said moderators "THERE".....BUT NON-THE LESS

[Scott Stone]

Cody,
Chill out. Rom Marshall and Ron Musgrave are the same person. I don't think that you will see a banner for Pave Clean or Clean Crete on Rons' board. He is paying for the board out of his own pocket, and from what I have heard he is not planning on asking for donations, or planning to accept advertising, other than free advertising for his Moderators.
As for the traitor comment, Whatever. Yes I am a moderator on both boards, there are people that post on this board that do not post on Ron's board, and people that post on Ron's board that do not post on this board, Just like the xxxxx board, Dave's board, the Wood board and Mike Hughes board. Ron's board is set up a little different because there are no restrictions on naming distributors, or products. That is probably one of the advantages of someone shelling out the bucks himself. I am not saying Dan is wrong for doing it the way he is, he is just taking a different approach. That is his choice, and he is allowed to do it if he wants.
Now for the final comment, If Ron's intentions are pure evil, I would love to have some kind of corroborating evidence, because if you can come up with some kind of evidence, other than Ron being bombastic, opinionated and loud than I will happily disassociate myself from him and his board, until that time I will go to the boards that I want, and not feel guilty, and associate withthe people that I want and not feel guilty, and because of our freedoms you can do the same.

Scott Stone

[Richard R.]

I have to say I share some of Cody's concerns.
There is one thing he mentioned that makes a lot of sense. Why do we need so many boards to accomplish the same thing? I'm not saying no one but Dan should have a board, although I don't think several boards, rising from one specific board can be done without major infractions. I suppose if I was wrong, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I sure hate to see so much seperation among so many good people especially when it was a very Good Person who brought us all together in the first place.
Scott since you brought it up about Ron saying he wasn't planning on asking for donations, I couldn't help but wonder who that was directed at. Maybe it wasn't directed at one specific board, but just in case a new member reads your post and doesn't understand, let me just say lets not forget how we the members of Dans board are the ones who encouraged Dan Flynn to except donations. Correct me if I'm wrong on this particular issue, but I believe there was a lot of prodding and pushing Dan to ask for donations and when he wouldn't ask for them, the members took it upon themselves to do it anyway.

Finally, I am very glad to know that the other folks who veered from Dan's board and started their own boards are mature and understanding. At least I know they won't be offended and will understand why I feel a sense of obligation and loyalty to Dan Flynn. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way I do about all of this, but hopefully they will understand.

Take Care
Richard R.

[Dan S]

[Maybe it wasn't directed at one specific board, but just in case a new member reads your post and doesn't understand, let me just say lets not forget how we the members of Dans board are the ones who encouraged Dan Flynn to except donations. Correct me if I'm wrong on this particular issue, but I believe there was a lot of prodding and pushing Dan to ask for donations and when he wouldn't ask for them, the members took it upon themselves to do it anyway.



That is it in a nut shell ^^^^^
!!!!!!!!!

I will never feel guilty about posting on anybodys board ......If that were the case then what is Dan Flynn doing on Mike H . board.......Do you think he feels guilty? Do you think that he has never visited Ron's board? Think again!!!!!!!

I dont want to argue with anybody ......If Dan wants donations .Then more Power to him......If Ron dont.Mike dont.Dave dont.d.co dont....Then more Power to them as well...
Just b/c someone dont like someone That dont mean Nothin....people change .......And if people dont change then this world would be a bigger mess then it already is.......
As far as having different boards I see no harm in it....

Enjoy them all ....they all have a great place in this Business.......

[Larry L.]

Why do we need so many boards to accomplish the same thing? although I don't think several boards, rising from one specific board can be done without major infractions.

Dan's board was started b/c he got kick off xxxxx's board and Ron's board was started b/c he was kicked off Dan's board.

xxxxx and Dan's boards are not freedom boards,you can not say this or that if you do sooner or later you'll get kicked off too.I've always hallowed we need to post our wants not send it though e-mail and leave alot of people wondering what it was they had to say that could not be said out in the open.I'm a freedom fighter and anybody that lives in the U S A should be,isn't whats good for one not good for all.This sharing thing alot of you talk about stinks to me then you have to e-mail each other to get what you want and leave others out in the cold,I can see which one's like sharing with others and which ones doesn't as we all can and by me saying for years I'm free on the boards you know where I stand,Its a wonder I haven't been kicked off the boards b/c of it.
If I get kicked off a board will I start my own board,NO,its not the money I couldn't handle its the time that you'll have to send getting things like this under control.We all or most still go to xxxxx's board to see whats happen elsewhere and a few of us still try to help others on it if we can but they are others that get the good out of it but want post b/c they mad at xxxxx,it doesn't hurt xxxxx b/c they do not post there but its there to be shared by all,its not a freedom board nor is Dan's.I like the freedom Ron's has on his board and as for as beening called a trailor thats o k b/c others see it different as in freedom to post the answer where all can share in it not under the table with e-mails where alot are left out wondering what was so secert.
Just like a few months ago someone was hallowering for help,cann't make it in this business "help",alot of us came to their aid to try to help but now they look down on us b/c we are helping on another bbs too,to me it says alot about a guy that stands back and hallowers that way......like I said I'm free to the boards and if they want to kick me off b/c of it thats O K b/c its their freedom to do so,it want make me mad b/c of freedom I have in the rest of the world at my finger tips.

[Cody]

LOL,, Well I'll do this in order

Dan S
I wasn’t referring to the Moderators here Posting there I was saying the people (members) here are posting there & some on these members are Moderators there. For more info on my plight against Ron's board read the reply to Scott.

Scott
Well.. Long story there man. You’ve been around a lot so you’ll have to draw on some memory on some of this.

Now here’s the hard reason that I think he’s up to something
You remember a while back when we were all chatting about a new Organization? Well Ron was the driving force behind that. There we many interested people here that wanted to do something too, the majority wanted to set something up similar to a farmers co-op (which was suggested by Craig I believe). Ron was Thoroughly against such and Organization & most others were for it. Well that co-op idea was replaced by Ron with the idea to form a new Organization. One that would buy in bulk then distribute to the Members to pass on discounts Like his $210 3000w Generator for a skid mount (which always stroked me as odd that he wanted to help everyone soooooooo much yet he would never divulge the source for said generator? Hmmm) or discounts like his $7.50 5 gallon buckets ,, yeah that’s right a $7.50 5 gallon bucket, heh

(when I saw this I posted something to this effect “Ron is gonna save us money on all this stuff & he’s paying $7.50 for a 5 gallon bucket that I can get from Home Depot all day for $2.50” Well he later sent me an IM on aol instant messenger saying “Cody would remove that post, I am trying to set something up here…….. Then he goes on to say that it's a :Safety Bucket” What it's Orange, OK still at Home Depot for a buck more at worst! Anyhoo. I removed the post. He never did say thanks btw!)

Well after all this stuff here, people were discussing ideas for the new organization & how it would be set up. Someone post re: it being a “Non Profit” Org. & Ron follows with “No this is to be a PROFIT making org.” Well that topic went around the block several times & everytime Ron was there posting to the effect that it would make money. To myself this was not the intention that said org would be meant for, thus I concluded from all of his post (which I had gone back & read several times) that he wanted to form an organization That would make a profit and “He” would run. What does that say to you. I’m pretty sure that you were involved in all of that to & were on most occasions advocating against the same things that I was. He called me one day, I guess to try & sway me from rallying against this new Org. On this call I flat out told him that I believed that he was more interested in his own personal gain than that of the purposed members. After that he cut the call short & had to run, never to reply to my accusation Thus to me leaving me to conclude that I was right about it. There’s a lot more but I think that that sums up the jist of it.

When I was commenting toward people who frequent his forums, it was because I saw several people there that I thought realized what he was up to. Some of the folks I saw that were Mods are the same ones that were against this Org that he was trying to set up. So it just seemed odd / wrong that they would be there. Plus that fact that he was more or less railroaded off this Forum I thought by “The Man” himself, thus contributing to his forums success seems almost disrespectful to you know who.

My problem with his Org is not what you may think either btw. If someone wants to start such an organization so be it, This is America & you can do it. Grant it, myself, I would be against ANY such org since I believe that prices are too low to begin with & information is to readily available thus creating an easy in for new contractors & adding to the already growing competitive market. TO me everything should cost twice as much & info should be a bitch to get for a newbie, enabling us, “the established” to work in a more demanding market However I would not advocate against it the way I do Ron’s for the simple reason that Ron was / is tryin to do it through deceit & just trying to slide it in when nobody is looking. Don’t you see this Forum that he has started is just a step in the direction if this Org or something else that is going to “USE” it’s members to Ron’s own personal Gain.

If the irst time Ron had mentioned this idea he had said. Hey I’ll do it If I can make some scratch. I would a been cool with him. I still would have hated the idea but I would have had no problem with him. If he came out & said I’m gonna start this Forum to Make money. I would have been cool with that. But Ron is playing Chess with everyone & just not telling you that your in the game.

Now add that I was belittled by Ron on my very first post on this forum. I had offered info to someone and Ron more or less pooped all over me. So that was the start of no love for the man. Then there’s the CONSTANT badgering from Ron as to where I’m from & who I am. He really took this to the limits, basically trying to discredit me on many occasions since I would not publicly divulge my location, asthough I was here under false pretense or something. Anyway It really really got annoying. Although I have to admit I did get some satisfaction from knowing that it drove him nuts. Now, I come to find out that HE WAS HERE under False Pretense, he was using a bogus name. That’s outright deceitful don’t ya think. Why make up a last name if your on the up & up. I think it’s much better to just be Ron & let it go at that?

PS, he has a Hidden Agenda!
And Lastly, As for the Ron & Pavecleancrete schtuff. Well from the results I saw of "His". The Ron I know from his postings here he would have flamed the hell outta that product if someone else had posted those pics! Think about it.

That's it ferr now, I just got in from work & wanted to post a "quick Note" to reply to everyone. And I really did not mean to come off flaming you guys posting there, I was just suprised that's all, Many of the folks that were against him at one point are helping to line his pockets now & possibly helping him to just decieve you in the future.

I hope all you Folks have a Great Thanksgiving.
Cody

[Dan Flynn]

Hey Guys,

I guess I missed a lot. My computer was in for an upgrade. I have to run to work, but wanted to add a comment and will add more later in regards to this post. I think it's important at this point to give you my opinion. I feel we are a family in many ways.

I look forward to hearing from you guys each day. I have been going nuts with out my computer for the last day or so. But I do have screaming machine not (he he)

I want you to know how I feel about the other bbs on the net and what the truth is regarding this bbs/community. So as soon as I get back I will fill you in.

Talk to you later

[Richard R.]

{Just like a few months ago someone was hallowering for help,cann't make it in this business "help",alot of us came to their aid to try to help but now they look down on us b/c we are helping on another bbs too,to me it says alot about a guy that stands back and hallowers that way.}

Bigboy,
Sounds like the Pot calling the kettle black.
I thought the board was established to help those who needed help. I didn't know that if I asked for help keeping my business a float that I would be terminating my right to have an opinion later.
You call yourself a freedom fighter but chastise others for exercising their freedom of opinion. There is a big difference in looking down on someone and just being disappointed in something that is going on. I'm sorry my call for help a few months ago was such a burden on you.
I re-read my earlier post and I didn't find anywhere in it where I specifically attacked you on any particular past or present issues. If it makes you feel like a tough guy go for it. I quess I mis-judged you.

Dan S.
{I will never feel guilty about posting on anybodys board....}

I'm not asking you to feel guilty about posting on other boards.
If others want to start their own boards, that's no skin off my teeth. My problem is with the one person who has started a board and all the malicious mischief that's going on behind the scenes to do it. You can definitely see the Dog Eat Dog World we all live in.

{although I don't think several boards, rising from one specific board can be done without major infractions.}

"I Rest My Case"

Richard R.

[Dominic A]

Well I thought since we are sharing opinions I would give mine also. I would like to say I don't know what happened with Ron on this board I guess I came to late for that. So I don't know to much about him.

1. Ron board is nice and I asked the question over there what the diffrence was. Ron told me what they were. I can say they are small and non-important.

2. I thought the same thing about people are members over here and moderator over there. Heck can't blame them nor should we call them tratiors. If you want to call them Tratiors we should call people that have not posted here in a long time deserters. You think??

3. I must agree why do we need several boards. I see good things in Ron's and good things here in Dan's. Why can't we take the best of both and have one kick a$$ board?

4. As for loyaltiy. I will let it be knowen I am loyal to no board I found D*lc*'s board first, Dan's second and later found Ron's and a bunch in between. I post on them all. But because I found D*lc*'s Boards first and learned a lot from it should I only be able to post there? And should I shunn the rest? Why should any one feel guilty for post here, or there ,or any where.

5. I think Ron is up to something. I don't know what. I see him stilling alot of idea's from Dan. Like the online auction. And it seems he likes some products more then others if you know what I mean. Some post can almost be like an infomerrcial. And I see several people trying to protect Ron and justify his comments or actions. Which I think is wrong.

I would like to hear what Dan has to say about the other boards. I am also Glad to see Cody and Richard R. becomeing active members again. I really enjoy reading your post. Have a good Holiday