Asking for trouble

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OrangeCrest

Guest
I can't believe that Panda Express is having their Dumpster Pad clean again without reclaiming!!

This whole thing is a joke, what a waste of money.
 

Mike Hughes

New Member
Dan Flynn said:
I just did a search for all of Bully Washes posts and almost everyone is negative about someone on this board or the bbs. I still think this is our oldest trouble maker of all. The guy who went to our old bbs and ethically (Hmmmmmmm) took all the email addresses to start his own board. Then was supported by some of our good friends to get it going.

Nothing like hard work for your reward. I maybe wrong though????????????????????


I have no way of knowing for sure, but I honestly feel you would be dead wrong about your assumption of his identity.

While years ago there were disagreements about rules, and some disrespect shown by said "guy"..........there was never even a fraction of the negativity in that person's posts as there are in your Washerman's, Bully Wash, etc.............

This is a totally different person, different situation, and I think you should consider looking elsewhere before digging up the past.
 

Don.EMS

New Member
If you cant afford to do it right dont do it at all. No body wants to spend the money on reclaim but you have to spend money to make money. I'd turn anyone in for releasing waste down a storm or even down a curb if I saw them. Everyone whines about lowballers, no-insurance, HD PWs, newbee's, but when it comes to waste water and reclaim thats a different story. All I read is BLA BLA BLA other trades do it like this, why shouldent I, BLA BLA BLA, EPA this, rain water that, oil and waste goes down the drain anyways. Smart'n up and don't be *ussys do it right or dont do it at all. A few extra bucks and you'll be dance'n. Like an old man once told me...you not mad at me ...you mad at self
 

oneness

New Member
That's all fine for areas where they're enforcing. Here, it isn't economically feasible. I'm already charging lower prices than I'd like to...now I'm supposed to spend MORE time setting up equipment, tearing it down, dumping water, etc etc etc. Screw that...not if I don't have to. I'm not mad at myself or anyone else. When enforcement comes to this area, I'll comply as will most other reputable contractors in the area. Until then, Mother Nature is tough enough to take care of herself.
 

Mark

Moderator / Sponsor
You may be the one that an example is made of!

Think about it.. The laws have been on the books for
years, and can be enforced at any time.
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
Mother Nature is tough enough to take care of herself.

Open your eyes,mankind has been destorying mother nature,,as you say tho who cares we'll live forever and not worry about our off'spring living at all.
 

oneness

New Member
Mark said:
You may be the one that an example is made of!

Think about it.. The laws have been on the books for
years, and can be enforced at any time.

Maybe so. Probably not.

Larry L. said:
Open your eyes,mankind has been destorying mother nature,,as you say tho who cares we'll live forever and not worry about our off'spring living at all.

I don't see where nature has been destroyed. I didn't say "who cares we'll live forever and not worry about our off'spring living at all". Please don't put words in my mouth. You have a hard enough time with your own. I don't need help.
 
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OrangeCrest

Guest
Want to see a city official squirm?

Come to them pissed off and, in my case, tell them that it pisses you off and let them know that you follow the rules to "MPDS Phase II" and you want something done about the other guy that is running things down the storm drains. Federally, it is against the law for the guy to do that and it is the law that they follow, and enforce, MPDS Phase I, for now.

Chances are, if they are responding to you through e-mail, they won't answer you back.

PUNKS!!
 

oneness

New Member
Doug T said:
Oneness, IMHO if you are "reputable" you would be in compliance.

Well then, I suppose, IYHO, there are virtually NO reputable contractors anywhere in the southeast US...Possibly most of the country. I only know of a few areas where they are enforcing reclaim, and I know that most of those who speak of reclaming and how they are compliant are in those areas. I know of several large companies, whose reputation is a hell of a lot more solid than mine or yours, who don't reclaim.

On the other hand, what the hell do I care what YHO is? I could care less.
 

Aplus

New Member
Alright let's not turn this into an insulting match. Everyones opinion is different obviously, and we all need to work at the level we feel comfortable with. OK?
 

oneness

New Member
Aplus said:
Alright let's not turn this into an insulting match. Everyones opinion is different obviously, and we all need to work at the level we feel comfortable with. OK?

Hey, fine with me. As long as people stop putting words in my mouth or offering TSHO (Their Silly Humble Opinions), things should be just fine! :)
 

squirtgun

New Member
For the guys who live outside of the Southeast(Fl,GA,Al,SC,TN)let me give an example of what happens when you tell people you reclaim.

Cust:What is reclaim?
PWer:We pick up the water we use and filter it and reuse it in our machine or dump it down the sanitary sewer.
Cust: How much more does that cost?
PWer: It will no affect the price,we have decided to eat any additional cost in order to be compliant with the CWA.It will also keep you the business owner from getting into trouble with code enforcement.
Cust:I have never heard of it and I'm sure you are hiding an extra charge in the price for this reclaiming.No one else has ever used it,and I don't want you using it on my property,all that extra equipment is what will draw the attention of the code officer.

This is was exactly what I heard from every commercial customer I talked with when we started.We have some very basic stuff we keep on the rig(oil booms,filters,sump pump and vac,but the bigger reclaim equipment will not be purchased until it has to be,only then,because the local authorities have decided to enforce the CWA.
You guys can all sit and pass judgement if you want,but it's not your kids doing without,or your bills not getting paid because a customer refuses to hire you for trying to do it the right way.
 

Michael T

New Member
EPA and Reclaiming

Ive heard the EPA doesn't enforce in municipalities less than 100K. And it looks like the local AHJ don't really care. You cant make them ( local AHJ ) enforce the regs without making lots of noise and spending lots of money. My advice is. Move on. Do you work, have a clean conscience and get on with life. Quit worrying about the other guy. Is it really worth all the trouble.

Just my opinion....

More of my opinion, while I'm on the subject. The EPA has way too much power.

Again , just my opinion.


Michael T
 
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OrangeCrest

Guest
squirtgun said:
<b>For the guys who live outside of the Southeast(Fl,GA,Al,SC,TN)let me give an example of what happens when you tell people you reclaim.

Cust:What is reclaim?
PWer:We pick up the water we use and filter it and reuse it in our machine or dump it down the sanitary sewer.
Cust: How much more does that cost?
PWer: It will no affect the price,we have decided to eat any additional cost in order to be compliant with the CWA.It will also keep you the business owner from getting into trouble with code enforcement.
Cust:I have never heard of it and I'm sure you are hiding an extra charge in the price for this reclaiming.No one else has ever used it,and I don't want you using it on my property,all that extra equipment is what will draw the attention of the code officer.

QUOTE]</b>

Or you can, like in my case, just tell them, "I reclaim so that both of us can comply with RMC 14.12.295 (Riverside's Municiple Code), Surface Discharge Prohibitions."

If they say they don't care, or whatever, you could throw in that anyone can turn them in: their competition, your competition, anyone who sees someone not reclaiming...

Now they know the law and they can refuse your services, but now if they get someone who doesn't reclaim, you could turn them in or let them sweat it out hoping they don't get caught.

You could throw in that there is a $10K fine per day for them and you, and a $25K fine if the state catches the city not enforcing the law (in California).
 

MR ALAN

New Member
Robert,
After bashing me on Delcos bbs for recovery and spending money on equipment that is not needed, but only adds cost to the customers, when did you become such a supporter of recovery?

What made you change your mind????
 

Dan S

New Member
Or you can, like in my case, just tell them, "I reclaim so that both of us can comply with RMC 14.12.295 (Riverside's Municiple Code), Surface Discharge Prohibitions."

If they say they don't care, or whatever, you could throw in that anyone can turn them in: their competition, your competition, anyone who sees someone not reclaiming...

Now they know the law and they can refuse your services, but now if they get someone who doesn't reclaim, you could turn them in or let them sweat it out hoping they don't get caught.

You could throw in that there is a $10K fine per day for them and you, and a $25K fine if the state catches the city not enforcing the law (in California).[/QUOTE


Okay put the guy out of business!!

"im telling mommy on you"
If roy has to eat that banana then mike has to eat it too

You guys and your freakin reclaim bullcrap is making me sick!!

First of all you do what you gotta do to stay in compliance with your local.
Now why on earth would you spend additional money for equipment to re-claim when you dont have to? Oh wait some body is going to tell mommy!

HOGWASH

I think some of you guys think that your poop dont stink! and would like nothing better then to turn everbody in around you ...............go tell your momma! go ahead go cry to `yo momma.
if you dont like the laws where you live get out,move .or shut the heck up!
 

Flue Steam

New Member
squirtgun said:
Cust:What is reclaim?
PWer:We pick up the water we use and filter it and reuse it in our machine or dump it down the sanitary sewer.
Cust: How much more does that cost?
PWer: It will no affect the price,we have decided to eat any additional cost in order to be compliant with the CWA.It will also keep you the business owner from getting into trouble with code enforcement.
Cust:I have never heard of it and I'm sure you are hiding an extra charge in the price for this reclaiming.No one else has ever used it,and I don't want you using it on my property,all that extra equipment is what will draw the attention of the code officer.QUOTE]


You forgot the part where the potential customer gets that strange look on his face when he says "so you are going to do my cleaning with dirty water"?
 

Cali

New Member
Isn't this typical.....

You know everytime we have gotten off on the reclamation tangent everyone always ends up arguing......


Makes no difference what the actual points are that we were/are being made. This whole side argument about everyone's humble opinion..... I don't consider my opinion humble anymore. I have something to say, and I am saying it. I have been there, done that and I am no longer apologizing for my not so humble opinion. Period.

I have been compliant and proud of it. I spend 85,000 on a complete closed loop rig, far before it was popular to, and I fought all of the regulators to make sure that no one else went through the Crap that I did. I lost my business because I took a stand. Whether anyone else thought it was the right thing to do or not. I made an example of myself, my former customers, (that did not give a sh**) and the contractor that tried to take me down in the process. Yes I upset alot of people. But you know what? Everyday I know why I did what I did. I may have lost my business, but I have no regrets about what happened and where I am today. And yes it is true, I have not cleaned concrete in over 2 1/2 years now. But I am still very much involved in the political battle. And anyone that knows what I have been through can not only appreciate that, but respect it.

Kendra
 

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