school buses

jameselite

New Member
I m pretty new to truck washing I do a few trucks on the weekends but I was recently asked to wash some school buses. I washed this guys rv two months ago and he called me asking if I wanted to wash buses. He had his mechanics washing them but it is getting to be to much for them. I think they had a drive threw wash. I could really use the business if anyone can give me some help. I dont know what to charge or if their is a special chemical to use. I do have a hot machine.
 

Scott Stone

New Member
Typically, school buses are a way cheap gig. I have seen them for as little as $6 a piece. That included doing windows. I would not do them for less than $20 a piece.
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
Do not sale yourseft short,call your local truckwash and see what they charge for washing school buses.Its better to wash a few at a higher price than to wash several at a low price,stay in the price range as your local truckwashes.Personally I would want 30 for outside wash and windows,sweeping would be extra.Use a soap made for washing fleets,usually the higher price soaps are better but not always true.

Lowballing the price will get you nowhere other when working 7 days a week to make ends meet.
 

jameselite

New Member
But it seems that most truckwashes charge more then any mobile guy. One guy told me he spends 60-75 dollars on a 10 wheel dump truck and it isnt very flashy just aluminum rims.
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
Yes I know,it doesn't have to be every flashy if dirty to run into alot of over all expence.If you have to recap the dirty work that will add to you cost plus most want the motor/frame washed off when washing on the yard thats extra cost to you.Alot of things goes into the over all cost,its the reason 90% of fleetwasher goes out of business within two years.Depends on what the 10 wheel is hualing and where he is hauling to,here and the way I wash I would want if done weekly or every two weeks 50 to 75.

The 10 wheel guy should be happy to pay you 60,it saves him on fuel and time setting at a truckwash and in most cases gets a better wash job.Do not sale a wash job,sale your service and make more money.
 

DAFF

New Member
Larry has the right idea. But why does the local moble wash guys charge less than the truckwash. This makes no sense. To me they should be paying as much or more for the washes. Ahhhhhhhh this fustrates me to no end, where the newbee is undercutting the industry to the point of doing things for FREE!!!!

This is the major reason that I've stoped washing trucks almost alltogether. It makes no sense to run around all weekend with a three person crew to grosse 650.00 per day. At this you are making money but after deductions and all the rest of the BS you end up with min wage. No thanks Ill stick to commercial/industrial, buildings and car lots.

DAFF
 

qpw

New Member
I agree with Daff , dont sell yourself short ,I dont know how far you will have to travel or if you can even use his water,I know from expirience, I used to wash about 60 utility trucks for the power company and I was washing them monthy I charged them 35.00 a truck it only took me 10 min to wash one truck ,I I was getting a good deal!! I think a school bus is worth every bit of 35.00 or even more !! I also have been doing pressure washing part time for 5 yrs . Good luck!!! P.S. I used a truck cleaner from car quest called TP 625
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
In a way Its not the newbee's fault and in a way it is,all they see is the big picture some paint on these boards.The all migthly pencil monstor takes over then they try to figure their cost in doing business.I've always said the mobile rigs should get stand alone truckwash price or more and some say cheap is the way to go.

Just like Wal-Wart they is a differents in them and a mom and pop owning two or three stores.A newbee needs to own 10 or more rigs starting out if they charge cheap prices I've seen posted on theses boards as to what one should charge.
Mom and pop stores went out of business by the 1000's when wal-mart opened their doors,they tired to sale at the same price as wal-marts.
I will agree if you owned several mobile rigs and I mean several you can charge a lower price,reason being they wash fleets 6/7 days a week meaning volume.
 

Florida

New Member
We used to do fleets back in the day, the only thing I remember was the paint on the school buses was hard to clean we worked at it keep in-mind this was 20 years ago in the iner city. We would soap twice dwell and they would look ok, The tractor trailers cleaned faster...
 

biodude

New Member
DAFF said:
Larry has the right idea. But why does the local moble wash guys charge less than the truckwash. This makes no sense. To me they should be paying as much or more for the washes. Ahhhhhhhh this fustrates me to no end, where the newbee is undercutting the industry to the point of doing things for FREE!!!!

This is the major reason that I've stoped washing trucks almost alltogether. It makes no sense to run around all weekend with a three person crew to grosse 650.00 per day. At this you are making money but after deductions and all the rest of the BS you end up with min wage. No thanks Ill stick to commercial/industrial, buildings and car lots.

DAFF

Because fleet managers won't wash all of their equipment at $35 per piece, and you guys are dreaming if you think that a bus company with 175 buses is going to let us come in there and charge them that. As much as I would like to drive out of there at the end of the day with $6,125.00 it ain't gonna happen! I'm happy if we gross $1500/day for a three man crew. I'd love it if they would pay more, but they won't because money isn't that easy to come by, especially with the way the economy is now.
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
The only reason they want pay that is b/c some mobile fleetwasher is doing them cheaper,they aren't smart enough to realize if no mobile around they would have to pay stand alone prices.Next time you drive by a stand alone truckwash look how busy they are.Look at all the company names on the doors and most of the trucks has a mobile fleetwasher at home base doing them cheaper.Fleet companys aren't going to drive a dirty truck for lone before it gets washed nomatter if its a stand alone truckwash or mobile they pay each his price.I think my service and wash job is as good if not better than a stand alone truck wash so why charge a cheaper price.
However I do understand the lower priced mobile guys as to not charge stand alone prices.
 

Scott Stone

New Member
biodude said:
Because fleet managers won't wash all of their equipment at $35 per piece, and you guys are dreaming if you think that a bus company with 175 buses is going to let us come in there and charge them that. As much as I would like to drive out of there at the end of the day with $6,125.00 it ain't gonna happen! I'm happy if we gross $1500/day for a three man crew. I'd love it if they would pay more, but they won't because money isn't that easy to come by, especially with the way the economy is now.


Sorry, but in my opinion, Blane is right and Larry is wrong. Since Blane has multiple rigs, that kind of helps swing my opinion.

As for locally, the schooldistrict will not pay more than $6 a bus, because they know that they can buy a drive through car wash that will wash them for that, including all the repairs, etc. Since that is all that they are looking at for a wash, they don't much care how high quality it is, but if it is 25 foot pretty.
 

DAFF

New Member
For a company with that number of pieces of course you will adjust your prices. For now you can drop your prices for the fact there is no down time. (travel) As the number of pieces increases the cost per unit will decrease. Yes you should be happy to make $1500.00 per day with a three man crew for you will be proffiting about 800.00-1000.00 for the day.

For the single truck wash one should charge local truck wash prices plus 15-20%. Why for this is a bonus for the owner operator(truck). Park the unit, go home, come back on Monday moning and drive. They are saving fuel and time!!!

This is where it is all about proffit. Yes the truck washing is constant flow of cash comming in, but in time it will burn you and the guys out. Who wants to work all weekend in the slop freezing cold and greasy black when they get home just to make min wage. To me I'll take the weekend off maybee work the AM on Sat and spend the rest of the day with the wife and kids. Yes there is fantastic money to be made in fleet washing but after working 40hrs Monday to Friday who wants to put in an extra 20. For companies who ask for weekend service I try to convince them to wash during the week at a discount.(daytime) For this actually works 50% of the time for heavy equipment.

DAFF
 
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Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
Scott Stone said:
Sorry, but in my opinion, Blane is right and Larry is wrong. Since Blane has multiple rigs, that kind of helps swing my opinion.


Now dat right dare is funny,since blame has multiple rigs is the reason I'm wrong or swing your opinion :),almost made me p thought my draws funny.


As for locally, the schooldistrict will not pay more than $6 a bus, because they know that they can buy a drive through car wash that will wash them for that, including all the repairs, etc. Since that is all that they are looking at for a wash, they don't much care how high quality it is, but if it is 25 foot pretty.

All the drive though car washes I know of aren't tall enough to wash buses,now a drive though truckwash is a different story which are far and few inbetween.Anybody/drive though car wash washing school buses for $6 with repairs and ect. has to be wearing a round stupid hat pointed on one end.

"if" all the mobile owners charged what a stand alone truckwash charges the fleet owner would have to pay.Everybody has the freedom to charge what he thinks is fair or what he can turn in profit.If anybody wants to wash buses for $6 by all means wash them,they'll have to wash 5 to my one at 30 with me making more profit than the 3 man crew.I do not look at how many I can wash in a days time to turn a profit by the hour.Cheap prices your always rushing rushing hurry hurry rushing hurry elbows and way holes hurry hurry we're not making money at this price hurry don't walk run.Mobile guys will always lowball the truckwashing trade,I'd work on a chicken farm before I lowball the trade.
 

biodude

New Member
So Larry, you're telling Scott and myself that you would READILY pay $35 each to wash a fleet of buses if you owned them? Do you also get upset when your not allowed to pay full retail price for things? I also would expect you to never shop around for the best price, never to browse E Bay, and never turn in rebates on items bought at Home Depot. Somehow I don't think any of that is true. If we weren't price conscious China and every other third world country wouldn't be producing the quantity of goods to import to us that they do. The fact of the matter is that you know you wouldn't pay that. You'd go and buy a pressure washer, some cheap soap and a brush, and either do it yourself or hire some kid for $10/hour to wash your buses rather than paying $35 to "Mr. truck wash business" to wash each bus. Heck, that's probably why you got started in the pressure washing industry anyway. The "trick" is to convince the customer that you can offer something to them that in the end would be cheaper and/or less cost than if they were to do it themselves.

As far as drive-thru's go, they only guys that go through drive thru truck washes are privateers. As far as fleets go, they only fleet trucks that go though them are the ones where the trucks are going round the clock and have no real home base: the JB Hunts, the Schneiders, Covenants, Cedar Rapids, etc....Fleets that have a home base do not go to them. So they either a) have a mobile service wash them if it's cost effective, or b) build a wash bay and wash them themselves. Drive Thrus are dependant on finicky drivers setting the washing schedule of each individual truck and home-based fleets are dependant on you, the mobile washer, setting the washing schedule for the whole fleet of trucks.

Obviously the price will vary depending on the variables, so if something is extra dirty, I have to spend more time on it, I have more drive time to get there, etc., they price goes up. However, I can't imagine a scenario where I feel justified charging $35 a bus. Since it takes about 5 minutes to wash a bus, I would have to charge $50-$75 for a tractor, same for a trailer, and on-and-on to keep up with my $420/hour service rate. We have a rule: We can't stop our truck for less than $100. This immediately rules out the single units and motorhomes. We don't want to do that work anyway. We are in the fleet business and that's what we're set up to do. As much as we'd like to charge more, we, unlike Larry, have competition and need to keep our prices competitive with the local market.
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
Yeah you have me wrong too,I do not shop for cheap stuff or after market stuff.If I can find it I only by USA stuff,my chemcils are high dollar stuff.I do not have to buy the cheap things in life b/c I do not lowball the trade.I'm not a shopper for bargins,if I need it at the time I buy it,cheap things break to easy and after market stuff doesn't last long.If I need fuel I do not look at the price,I fill up and go on about my business...just bought another 250 dollar rod to go fishing.
I do not have a problem with you or scott or anyone else charging cheap prices,salesmanship goes a long way in this trade.And yes If I owned a fleet of buses they all would go though a stand alone truckwash and wright it off in taxes,I wouldn't put up with a mobile washer.
 

Scrappy

New Member
Larry L. said:
Yeah you have me wrong too,I do not shop for cheap stuff or after market stuff.If I can find it I only by USA stuff,my chemcils are high dollar stuff.I do not have to buy the cheap things in life b/c I do not lowball the trade.I'm not a shopper for bargins,if I need it at the time I buy it,cheap things break to easy and after market stuff doesn't last long.If I need fuel I do not look at the price,I fill up and go on about my business...just bought another 250 dollar rod to go fishing.
I do not have a problem with you or scott or anyone else charging cheap prices,salesmanship goes a long way in this trade.And yes If I owned a fleet of buses they all would go though a stand alone truckwash and wright it off in taxes,I wouldn't put up with a mobile washer.

what kinda pole? i just got two bait casting combos for Christmas!!!! you bass fish?? sorry guys i know its off topic
 

Larry L.

PWN TEAM - Moderator Emeritus
G-Loomis rod.........yes I bass fish plus like to pan fish,crappie,brim,anything that will bit.
Think this year I'll sale all 3 boats and buy one I can design myself.
 

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