Fall is the time for me to try new stains on my deck. I have been using water based stain from sherwin williams for many years. I had great success as far as my customer base felt with repeat business every 3 years or so. I used their UV sunblock cedar for 95% of my work. I bought enough to carry me through last year but I ran out for this year.They were happy with my prices for 2-3 years of service from the stain I applied. This season I switched over to the reformulated deckscapes water based that complies to the new VOC regulations . I remarked to the rep in the spring when I bought my first 5 gallons how it looked like the old CWF stain. My experience with CWF was it looked great at first but faded fast. I suspect that the deckscapes is a simular formula as I can see some decks I did this year fade faster than the old UV sunblock formula. My dilema for 2007 will be what product to sell for the time of service to ecpect from the stain? 1 yr. wash and seal $x.xx per sq. ft. ? 2 yr deckscape $x.xx per sq ft. but I prefer a 3yr product that can be sprayed and doesn't need to be cleaned with mineral spirits. SELL ME WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE TELLS YOU !!!!
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PressurePros
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Water borne sealers suck. Period. They may look okay but they do nothing for the wood but color it. I consider what I do restoration, protection and maintenance. Those are the criteria for any products I use. I can't really convince you about a particular sealer because the criteria you set forth is different from mine and not really available. (ie a water borne stain that lasts for three years)
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I agree with Ken. The products you are currently using are film formers and hard finish products. Although they produce a uniform color tone, they do little to really protect the wood itself. At least not for a long period. The other difficulty with them, in my experience, is that when they need to be stripped, the alkyd's, resins & binders don't break down very well and you end up with a lot of remnant stain on the deck.
A penetrating preservative will offer the deck wood the best protection in terms of adding lubricity to the wood. Most are soft finish, ultra transparent that allow the wood grain to show through. In a few cases, my clients are used to the uniform color look, and are convinced that there's not enough product on the deck. I spray water on the deck to display the repellency, and explain that the oils are doing their job. Because our program entails annual cleaning and maintenance, we don't concern ourselves with the length of years on application will offer. However, a good preservative should hold up as long, or longer, in comparison to any stain or film former. TWP, Ready Seal, Wood Tux & Rymar are some of the brands that come to mind that I might recommend. Good Luck!
A penetrating preservative will offer the deck wood the best protection in terms of adding lubricity to the wood. Most are soft finish, ultra transparent that allow the wood grain to show through. In a few cases, my clients are used to the uniform color look, and are convinced that there's not enough product on the deck. I spray water on the deck to display the repellency, and explain that the oils are doing their job. Because our program entails annual cleaning and maintenance, we don't concern ourselves with the length of years on application will offer. However, a good preservative should hold up as long, or longer, in comparison to any stain or film former. TWP, Ready Seal, Wood Tux & Rymar are some of the brands that come to mind that I might recommend. Good Luck!
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I agree.
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I have been using wolman products this year. especially the F + P. I like the way it goes on and seems like it is a good product.
Cat powerwash. I am going to try the wolmans dura stain as it has been rated as the top semi-trans stain by consumers products. It is not water based but it can be cleaned with water and was rated as good after 3 yrs. Thats what I was able to give my customers before with Sherwin williams UV sunblock. I don't see the new deckscape [sherwin williams replacement for uv sunblock]being that good and it was rated very low. I'm trying to find a supplier for the dura stain so I can try it on my deck over the winter
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Wow. Please stay with the F&P if you have to use Wolman's. Durastain is an acrylic and is WICKED to remove. Its not maintenance friendly. May I ask you a question, jeffex? Why is it so important to clean up with water? I use throwaway brushes I get $1.50 and cleanup is a little spirits on a rag. Sprayers can be a bit annoying to clean out but no matter what the sealer base is you have to do that.
I am not trying to tell you how to run your business. Well, I guess in a way, I am so please don't be offended at my suggestions. They just come from a few minutes of doing wood restoration and speaking with contractors around the country as well as being a distributor of soaps and sealers. If you are looking for ease of application and want easy yearly maintenance go with Ready Seal.
I am not trying to tell you how to run your business. Well, I guess in a way, I am so please don't be offended at my suggestions. They just come from a few minutes of doing wood restoration and speaking with contractors around the country as well as being a distributor of soaps and sealers. If you are looking for ease of application and want easy yearly maintenance go with Ready Seal.
No No I appreciate your experience !!!! I am going to try both ready seal and dura stain. I may even get a deckster . I have a system I used in the past that could get me in and out in 1 day with a water cleanup stain and I got 3 yrs for my customers. UV sunblock is gone now and I have to get a new pricing plan based on time on the job. I'm not so hard headed that I won't try new things . Its whay I asked for suggestions. Thanks for all the input and for those I talked with personally. We can all make money !!!$$$$$
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durastain is maybe the single worst product i have ever used. the directions call for 1 coat for a semi trans look and 2 for a solid look. the product is very heavily tinted and is very difficult to apply 1 coat without brush marks. wolman raincoat is more like the product you were using i prefer f&p but raincoat can last 2 to3 years can go on damp wood ,water cleanup,applys ok, is cheap to buy and washes off easily to recoat , and looks decent..it is just a waterproofer / toner type product without much oil. ive always tried to use the best products but sometimes think nothing with a natural look lasts more than 2 years anyway why not use something like raincoat. i currently use ready seal on cedar, twp 200 or woodtux on pressure treated and cabot decking stain if people want a heavier tint. frank
durastain is maybe the single worst product i have ever used. the directions call for 1 coat for a semi trans look and 2 for a solid look. the product is very heavily tinted and is very difficult to apply 1 coat without brush marks. wolman raincoat is more like the product you were using i prefer f&p but raincoat can last 2 to3 years can go on damp wood ,water cleanup,applys ok, is cheap to buy and washes off easily to recoat , and looks decent..it is just a waterproofer / toner type product without much oil. ive always tried to use the best products but sometimes think nothing with a natural look lasts more than 2 years anyway why not use something like raincoat. i currently use ready seal on cedar, twp 200 or woodtux on pressure treated and cabot decking stain if people want a heavier tint. frank