<font color=e87400>Hey guys LOng time
Well reading this post I figured I'd drop in my 2 cents worth too.
After looking at the before & after pics that have seen posted here I'm figuring that for Pavecleans demo he definitely did it in one day but probably used 1lb of product to 10sqft of surface remember this little disclaimer
* coverage areas are based on averages only. Deeper stains, or coarser surface areas will increase the amount of product needed. So you could probably really lay that crap on & camouflage just about anything.
Here's My problems with Paveclean
1. I don't have ANY respect for Paul Jennings, after a little spat that took place on another Forum some time back I realized that he is just someone that I'd just assume not do business with. Any man that can spew out the way he did calling people names, calling people liars & what-not to a whole slew of potential Clients is just someone that I cannot trust, thus I cannot trust his product!
2. The Product pricing is INSANE! If you purchase it by the pound it's like (Not including shipping!) $16 for one lb & $98 for 20lb. Now do some math here. To buy one lb of this product you are paying an additional $11.40 ~v~ the 20lb bulk price
That's 230% more. Now to me this just states RIP-OFF. Yes you always pay less for bulk, but this is ridiculous. The cost basis does not reflect this much difference in the smaller container re: packaging materials or labor. At best the product should sell for not more than $10 per pound. But should be at a "Honest" price of $7.50 per pound!
3. Pricing per Sqft. If you purchase the product by the 20lb package your cost is approx. $0.06 per sqft including shipping. 6 cents cost for just the materials. How much for labor? From what I've read & seen I'm guessin that the application time is close to the same as powerwashing so figure about 6cents persquare foot for labor
(Which is only like $18.00 per drive through lane for an application which seems fairly intensive) Now you're lookin at a customer cost is 12cents persquare foot. That's pretty expensive & that's the cheapest it's gonna get
(you can save a little more here if you purchase it in mega bulk, Buying $764 in one pop will save u 10% & $2700 can save you %20, however unless you are really using alot of this product this size order would probably not be conducive for most people.)
- The above prices are based on Pavecleans statement that the average coverage area with the product is 120sqft per pound or 2200sqft per 20lb,, Then there is this disclaimer statement "they" make * coverage areas are based on averages only. Deeper stains, or coarser surface areas will increase the amount of product needed which says that that 120sqft could end up at 60sqft or worse thus propelling the material cost from 6cents to 12cents per sqft making it 16cents per sqft cost to the customer. It also creates concern for estimating. If worse needs more then you better have you estimate dead on or padded a pretty fair share incase more product is required.
4. I have never talked to Paul Jennings, I had asked questions re: the product before on the forums & his reply was to call. Well.. I figured that if i had to call to get those answers
(that many had asked also with the same reply) then he was going to try & sell me, & if he needed to sell me then my concerns were legitimate & needed to be gotten around in order for me to buy the product. MY concerns were. Gum Removal, Wind problems Rain Problems & Tracking the product by vehicles onto seal-coated parking areas. Rain being a major concern since I can still powerwash in the rain.
I live in FL ,, lots of rain, You either work in it or u may not work for several days at a time And Tracking being a large secondary concern since so many properties are getting the Seal-Coat applied.
( & if you don't know,, seal-coat, is a nice shiney "super black" surface coating applied to parking areas. You can see light discolorations from a mile away on them, if this product tracks off the applied area at all onto these surfaces it will look like HELL!)
As far as the environmental concerns. Check with your local municipality to see if you can discharge that water to a grassy area. This is allowed in every city that i work in in Florida & we have Zero discharge allowance to Storm Drains! According to my regulatory admins discharging the contaminated water to the Grassy areas allows the water to "Percolate thru the earth & cleanse prior to entering the aquifer, heh, & our aquifer is like 2ft Just FYI
To close.
I give the guy props for getting his product to market, marketing & setting up what he has, however given his attitude when conversing with him & the product cost I won't be in any hurry to try it! Frankly I just hate the guy! And after seeing Johns demo pics my feelings of the worthlessness of the product are reassured.
Myself I'm sticking with Hot Water & Degreaser where I can get up the gum, lighten the stains & hit the under canopys & the walls real quick to add that extra ouch & occasionally I'll use a little Portland Cement
1.29 40lb bag 400sqft coverage $0.003 perft material cost!
Have a nice day
Cody!